Date: 2009-07-16 02:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
My "other" is "two friends, both of whom I see regularly, are primary school teachers". So I'm not in a high-risk group per se, but I'm hanging out with people who are.

Although strictly speaking I don't think I'm absolutely definitely going to get it, I just think the chance of me doing so are greater than the raw stats.

Date: 2009-07-16 02:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Whereas I think the odds are still low that we, as a group, will get it. IF the probabilities were 1 in 4, even in a high risk group it's unlikely to push over 50% probability.

Re: question 4, I'd stay home with those symptoms but I wouldn't ring the doctor until a couple of days of continued symptoms. There's no point in wasting valuable NHS time until there's a bit more evidence.

Date: 2009-07-16 02:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I'd probably ring, just because I'm at the cusp of high risk group. I'm idly wondering if I'll be offered the flu jab, if I am I'll take it.

If I haven't had it before term begins I can't see me getting to the end of October without it hitting.

I've seen 1 in 4 bandied about but I'm not sure how that projection was arrived at. Wikipedia tells me that the 1918 pandemic had a 50% infection rate in some areas but it's unlikely to reach that in developed countires.

Date: 2009-07-16 02:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I'm unlikely to ring my Doc if I do think I've got it unless I get to the point where I've reached the end of self-certifiaction for time away from work which In think is 7 working days. I'd also call if I thought I was getting worse than I'd expect to be with a 'flu-like virus.

Date: 2009-07-16 02:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
And I would have to call if I wanted to take any time off, as I have reached my absence trigger point and would have to take certified time or there would be a god-almighty row.

Date: 2009-07-16 10:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I would call because I am in a high risk group and I would want it on my records. I imagine that if I do get it I'm going to get hit with post-viral fatigue and want the back up!

Date: 2009-07-16 02:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I thin kI'll get it because it's in my office right now - and part of me thinks I might have already got it (apparently for a lot of people it passes unnoticed).

Date: 2009-07-16 02:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
It's hovering around the university, and it's in John's school. I'm almost wondering if our serious joint lack of spoons last week was it in a mild form.

I have a lot of the symptoms most of the time anyway, it would be the febrile ones that would tip it for me.

Date: 2009-07-16 02:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Yup, it's the fever which would make me think that I was really sick.

I should have also asked if people are already in contact with it. Damn!

Date: 2009-07-16 02:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
And I should have put the slash between and/ringing the doctor.


Date: 2009-07-17 12:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Ann used to say she only got really worried about me when I complained about the cold: it meant I had a fever.

As for "staying for home", I do anyway: I work from home.

Date: 2009-07-16 02:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
This was difficult to answer as I think I may have already had it and I thought I had flu or a very heavy cold and didn't bother to call the doctor.

Also, I think my biggest risk factor is commuting on a train packed full of people from everywhere from Scotland - Peterborough.

Date: 2009-07-16 02:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I didn't think about people who may have already had it.

And you are right about the train.

Date: 2009-07-16 02:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
The nearest cash point is in the hospital, so it seems likely that one day I will wander over there just as someone has sneezed pigflu across the keypad or something. Plus I share a gym with the regular hospital workers.

Date: 2009-07-16 02:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I think I won't get it because as far as I can tell I've never had flu.

Date: 2009-07-16 10:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I had flu in the late 80s/early 90s. I spent the week barely able to move off the couch in my parents.

Since then I've had bad gastro and something like an URTI which knocked me out. But nothing was like that flu. When you've had it you know.

Date: 2009-07-16 02:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Working in a gym I suspect I'm slightly more likely than average to get it, as I come into contact with so many people. On the other hand, I'm sure I'm still less likely than a health professional or teacher, as people are more likely to stay away from the gym when feeling a bit iffy. So that's a yes to the first one, but not a big yes; and a 'high risk occupation' answer to the second, though there's a bit dose of 'with my luck' as well.

Symptoms - I only ticked sudden fever, as that's probably the sine qua non. Other things would add up to calling a doc - I wouldn't call for a sore throat on its own, but sore throat + chills + sneezing + stomach upset would add up to a call.

If I called the doctor every time I had aching muscles I'd never be off the phone!

Date: 2009-07-16 10:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Current advice is to call your doctor if you suspect you have swine flu. I wouldn't normally bother a doctor with flu but with the way that I am at the moment I'd want it noted, and I'd probably want a note for work.

Date: 2009-07-17 08:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Very true. Having just had a fortnight off with laryngitis, I'd definitely want it on record why I was off and that I wasn't skiving.

I think if you've rung your doctor you can self-certify for a fortnight rather than the usual week, so you don't necessarily need a physical doctor's note, but presumably work would like to know you'd rung the doctor and weren't just saying "I feel crap, must be swine flu".

Most of the symptoms listed wouldn't on their own make me ring, but a combination plus fever certainly would. When I had flu before (and you're quite right, you know when you have flu! I lost nearly half a stone in a week, and felt like I was going to die) I never bothered ringing the doctor. It never occurred to me, partly because I felt too crap to give any thought to anything apart from feeling ill.

Date: 2009-07-16 02:58 pm (UTC)
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I live in the suburbs of London in an area of reasonably/comparatively high incidence and I spend on average 2.5 hours a day commuting on London's public transport system... also have boyfriend's daughter attending local school with couple hundred other children, plus after school activities with several different groups from several different schools and several different age groups.

So basically, lots of mixing in a 'hot spot' area, thus lots of potential.

If I let a drippy nose or sneezing keep me away from work due to swine flu fears, I wouldn't have been going in for the last two months! The other day I was sneezing so much on the train people were shooting me filthy looks and I eventually commented very loudly to the boyfriend about how much of a pain hayfever is...

Date: 2009-07-16 03:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Yes. Quite. I've been amused this week by people moaning because someone has come in with what is obviously unmedicated hay fever. I've had flu, it's really obvious when you have it!

Date: 2009-07-16 03:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I've watched too much Survivors and am so paranoid it will probably come as a relief when I actually go down with it rather than anticipating it constantly and imagining symptoms.

(NB I'm not just paranoid because it's OMGswineflu - I'm exactly like this when someone in the office has a cold.)
Edited Date: 2009-07-16 03:16 pm (UTC)

Date: 2009-07-16 10:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I'm guilty of coming in to work when quite poorly. Just last year I dragged myself in when not really well enough. This time, though, I'd be cautious.

Date: 2009-07-16 03:44 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile]
Various things keep me home, but nothing makes me ring the doctor.

Date: 2009-07-16 03:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Other = Scrabble tournaments. Sitting directly opposite 16-20 random people from all over the country for an hour each, in a small room containing about 80-120 random people, whilst repeatedly handling objects which have been handled by up to 15 other random people in a short space of time, and bunking down in a hotel room which was recently occupied by yet another random person, is pretty much a textbook way of catching a highly infectious illness.

I'd sooner not get it, of course. I'm taking on trust that it's "only" flu.

Date: 2009-07-16 04:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Swine flu is one of the (many) things that make me rant right now because altho a lot of people may eventually get it, the evdence so far is that it is a very mild flu. 2000 people die every winter of ordinary winter flu is the stat I keep hearing and figs for this are what, 8?? yes it's not winter yet but fatalities are minimal frankly.

As someone who had 2-3 cases of "ordinary" flu in the last year which made me iller than I ever dreamed possible and left me to weak to take any kind of exercise for months, I'm bemused why we rae wetting our knickers over this one. Different in Africa where high percents of popn are immuno-depressed, That's where they should be panicing but most haven't even got a contingency plan. Do we care? nope - too busy worrying about Litle Johnny who will be fine with some paracetamol.

As someone who meets 100s of students and does get flu every year pretty much, I would very much like a prior inoculation - but am not sure how to get it? Assuming as usual I won't actually be classed "high risk" not being old or diabetic etc - but q prepared to go private..

Date: 2009-07-17 12:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
2000 people die every winter of ordinary winter flu is the stat I keep hearing and figs for this are what, 8??

Mid-50s, I believe, but insignificant compared to the toll from seasonal influenza, as you say.

Date: 2009-07-17 01:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
29 yesterday - happened to be watching the news..

Date: 2009-07-17 03:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I must be getting my news from the future.

Date: 2009-07-21 08:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Once the jab gets released I don't know how supplies are going to be prioritised but I bet you could get it private. No idea where from.

I think what has happened is that the media have responded to the government push but the message has been confused. In the initial stages the spread of the disease needed to try and be controlled because they had no idea how severe it was and also because we weren't geared up to deal with a flu outbreak. I get what you and others say about "winter" flu but those cases don't just go away, there is flu all year round and the new strain is going to produce cases on top of that.

It isn't about individual deaths, it's about population risks. You want to keep it away from the compromised as long as possible and get the population aware. Now that the procedures are in place it makes the inevitable break out more manageable. Unfortunately this doesn't get explained to the population at large so I've go people in work wondering why the school hasn't been closed and pupils given tamiflu when a case has been confirmed.

Date: 2009-07-16 04:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Again, I needed practically an all of the above for symptons before I would go to the doctor, and those would have to be pretty bad =)

Date: 2009-07-16 10:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Official advice is to ring the doctor if you suspect you have flu, for statistical purposes if nothing else. As I said above the main reason I would be on the phone is that I think I am at risk due to current health.

Date: 2009-07-17 12:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Official advice is to ring the doctor if you suspect you have flu, for statistical purposes if nothing else.

I bet the surgeries are loving that. Meanwhile, people who may seriously need advice (such as yourself) can't get through.

Date: 2009-07-16 04:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I get asked by my bosses to ring the doctor on the SECOND missed work day.

I've been at home with a bad virus the last couple of weeks.

I was unwell for the friday and cancelled my weekend plans because I was feeling rough. Monday I was still not ill and the Director insisted I call the doctor as it cant possibly be something non-serious, colds only last three days!!! (ha!)

I get so many colds each year I really don't want the swine flu but I'm unlikely to be offered the jab as I'm not officially in any of the risk catagories.

Date: 2009-07-16 05:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
If I do get it, it'll most likely be linked to the amount of air travel I do, so technically "Other".

But I couldn't resist the "With *my* luck this year" option, for obvious reasons.

Date: 2009-07-16 10:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Yes - you were on the "my luck" list with a few other people, myself included.

At dinner tonight I asked who everyone thought was most likely to get swine flu and they all agreed me. Thanks guys!

Date: 2009-07-16 08:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I suspect I'm not at high risk of catching it, but for me the answer to the stay at home question is straight forward. The company I work at has put in place a policy on not coming to work. Everyone is supposed to conduct a daily self-assessment! If they have three or more symptoms, or have been in contact with someone who has swine flu, then they are not allowed on site. On the other hand, I'll only be ringing the doctor if the flu-like symptoms are more severe than any I've previously experienced.

Date: 2009-07-16 10:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I found out tonight that this was common: at dinner everyone but me had a similar work policy!

Date: 2009-07-17 09:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
My works policy has just shown its self: If the person takes two weeks off with a bad virus then send them a notice of a disclipinary meeting to discuss "unacceptable absences"!

They also don't accept that I can be ill in May and that not be linked to illness in July!

Date: 2009-07-16 08:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
My 'other' is 'a bunch of us at work have been comparing notes and we think we have already had it'. I was sick two weeks ago with what I assumed was a bout of norovirus -- but when my daughter got the same sort of thing except with a wider range of flu symptoms I was very suspicious. Many people in my office *have* had swine flu diagnosed.

I think nearly everyone is going to get it but lots of people may be asymptomatic or have very mild symptoms.

Date: 2009-07-17 12:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I sneezed whilst reading your LJ post. Is this a computer virus?

Date: 2009-07-17 12:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
The 'other' for me is travelling regularly by public transport.

(Yes I know I said 'no' and then proceeded to answer the 'yes' options as well - I think statistically and from a long-term perspective of not having gotten a lot of flu I'm fairly low risk, but then again I work in and around a major public hospital and catch public transport, so I might be hoping a bit there.)

Date: 2009-07-17 12:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Oh and the symptoms would have to be combined (and, to be honest, fairly severe) for me to see a doctor.

Date: 2009-07-17 01:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Really!!! What , dead?? Maybe I take it all back..

Date: 2009-07-17 01:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Actually I'm wrong. I think that's the "suspected" number. Confirmed is 29.

I have a longer reply to your points above to make but have to do something quite urgent right now so you'll have to wait.

Date: 2009-08-25 08:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
My 'other' is that my boss currently has it and I was in a car with her for hours while she was coming down with it.

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